Things went wrong when the door happened. I would have 1) committed to Rey being Luke's daughter, 2) canonized FinnRey in 8, 3) stuck much harder to the notion of Finn and Kylo as natural enemies, and even had Finn make a noble sacrifice in 8 by surrendering himself to Snoke so that Rey can escape, as a parallel to Luke in ESB, letting him then be the natural spy within the First Order for 9, 4) not killed off Luke, 5) let Leia be a Jedi properly, 6) acknowledged the prequels more thoroughly, 7) give Poe a concrete and more central role as Leia's natural successor, possibly even to the point where it can be a secondary rivalry with Kylo, 8) skip over the Force healing, 9) have Kylo and Leia interact at least once, 10) NOT redeem Kylo and let Finn be the one to finish him off..... look, at this point i'm trying to think of things I'm NOT doing in the rewrite i'm already doing, because i'm manifesting as many multiverses as I can where this trilogy works and succeeds and doesn't do John and Daisy and Oscar dirty.
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I feel the problem started as soon as it was treated as a 'sequel' rather than just a continuation. A continuation would've focused on the new characters, progressed the storyline, and tried something new, but the sequel trilogy was exactly that - just a bunch of poorly made sequels that had strange pauses and fanfare moments for old characters, had to tie every single new character to the old ones, and was obsessed with the fanbase - either trying to make them happy, or anger them. It started with a movie that had the same plot as A New Hope, and ended with a movie where they bring back the antagonist from the previous trilogy. It's such a shame, because I actually liked the characters they introduced. I wish they had stuck with Rey and Finn being the main characters and main duo, and had Kylo fall deeper into the dark side. The trilogy had so much potential and I still can't believe how much they failed.
3 weeks ago | 8
"This will make things right". The first line is everything wrong with this trilogy: this goddamn obsession to "fix" the previous one. The Force Awakens tried to "fix" the political-driven storyline the prequels left. Then, The Last Jedi tried to "fix" the nostalgic emptyness The Force Awakens left. Then, The Rise of Skywalker tried to "fix" the divisive directions The Last Jedi left. Every single movie tried to undo what came before instead of build something fresh.
3 weeks ago | 15
TFA has the same plot but the following films focus on the dynamic between Finn and Rey and both becoming Jedis and romantically involved with each other. Kylo would gain more military and "force" power making him a worthy final boss
3 weeks ago | 2
Ngl, I only got back into Star Wars because John Boyega was cast so all the sequel trilogy needs to do to be better in my eyes is give him the prominence he deserves.
3 weeks ago | 5
I’d probably still use a lot of the same characters, just differently. (Finn as the lead etc). But most importantly, have a set plan for all three movies.
3 weeks ago | 2
I think TFA was generally solid. I’d change small things (R2 takes BB-8’s place and the latter can be saved for the next film), give Phasma a bit more to do, save the Republic’s demise for the end of the film to develop them more, etc. All in all, I wouldn’t restructure the film that much. As for TLJ, I’d still keep the A plot with all of the Force users. I don’t have an issue with any of them. Id probably have another scene with Snoke where he’s abusing Kylo to further establish their relationship, which would make his death way more impactful. As for the B plot, completely remove Rose and Holdo and just have Poe and Finn go to Canto Bight together to find Lando as the Code breaker. If you really need a new female character to fill a quota, which I understand, maybe just give Connix a larger role and Rose can be a supporting character. As for ROS, this is where the major heavy lifting comes into play. Remove Palpatine entirely. Kylo Ren finds the fleet after learning that the Sith Eternal were Snoke’s friends, not Palpatine’s. Ren takes the Fleet for himself, but the Knights of Ren are secretly Sith Acolytes who were working for Snoke and hate that Kylo are undermining their former leader. Rey is obviously still “Just Rey,” but can develop into a Skywalker after realizing she has the spirit of one and Leia accepts her. Rose and R2 tag along on the mission to find the Holocron, which should be streamlined down to be less about finding macguffins and moreso about exploring how the war has affected these characters. Give Poe regret after being such a poor leader and is encouraged by Lando to keep fighting. Have Finn have PTSD and struggle to kill other stormtroopers and lead to him organizing a revolution. Hux can still plot to undermine Kylo, but he can have a far bigger role. Maybe he teams up with the Knights to organize a coup. All the pieces are there for a really solid trilogy. It’s the little things that weigh this story down that ultimately make it crumbles
3 weeks ago | 3
Well… the problem with the sequels is they didn’t really follow the structure of a story. George Lucas spent a lot of time building a mythology—laying out how the Force works, what the Jedi are, what the Sith are, and how everything connects. What you saw in the sequels, unfortunately, was more reactionary. Each film was made in response to the last one, rather than all being part of a larger arc. And when you do that, you lose your foundation. It becomes about moments, not meaning. George had treatments for VII through IX. The idea was always to go deeper into the Force—to explore the microbiotic world, the Whills, and how the Jedi evolved spiritually. You still could’ve had new characters—Rey, Finn, Ben Solo—but they needed to be part of a larger framework. Ben was supposed to be the heir to both Skywalker and Vader—torn between light and dark, but in a way that meant something. Rey could’ve been the spark of a new generation, but you have to show her struggle, her training. The Force isn’t just something you pick up one day and master the next. I think if they had followed the structure—like with the original six films—it would’ve all felt more cohesive. It’s about symphony, not solos. You can’t just make one movie at a time without thinking of the bigger picture. Star Wars is a family saga. And if you forget that, you forget the story.
3 weeks ago | 2
Finn should’ve been the Jedi. Kylo Ren needed a more compelling motivation for turning to the dark side. Rey shouldn’t have had innate mastery over the Force; instead, she could’ve been a supporting character, a Padawan still unsure about the light side but striving to set an example for Finn. Poe and Finn deserved a deeper bond, one that highlighted strong male friendship. All three, Finn, Poe, and Rey, should have faced Kylo Ren together and lost at the end of Episode VII, raising the stakes. No more planetary superweapons, please. Luke should’ve successfully rebuilt the Jedi Order, and Han and Leia should still have been married.
3 weeks ago | 5
The problem started the 2nd, Disney abandoned Rey and Finn as protagonists to just Rey and delegated Finn to a sidekick and pretty much abandoned the idea of an interesting story that respected the old and embraced the new like Cobra Kai
3 weeks ago | 11
It want wrong from the jump because Disney refused to give any real time for the creators to plan out anything substantial which is why so much of the trilogy feels rushed and patched togather.
3 weeks ago | 2
Personally, I don’t think there’s a single point, there were a multitude of issues plaguing the Sequel Trilogy from development through the end. If you asked me to fix the trilogy, I would make minor adjustments to The Last Jedi and replace Episode 9 with a version that tied up the trilogy and the Saga as a whole.
3 weeks ago | 2
Finn should have been lead actor and Ray as the co lead for 8 and 9. Luke trains both of them however Ray as seen on TLJ due to her anger issues of her past gets quickly lured to the Dark Side use that as the seeds to cement her downfall and become Ren’s apprentice. It ends on a dark note were Ren offs Leía, Luke successfully off Darth Plaigus that’s who Snoke actually was but Ren becomes Emperor Ren with his apprentice Darth Ray. A mortally wounded Luke hands the reigns to Finn to finish off not only Ren but his friend Ray also.
3 weeks ago | 0
Honestly they are all still young. I don't see why we can't correct the ship in 10-12.
3 weeks ago | 0
Not turn the Big 3 into failures have the NR not be incompetent have a thriving NJO not kill off the SF! (personally there shouldn't have been a ST you can't top the powerful ending of ROTJ).
2 weeks ago (edited) | 0
easy: stick to the original script. episode 9 duel of the fates was perfect.
3 weeks ago | 0
The First Okiro
Since the topic has somehow returned - where do you think the sequel trilogy went wrong and using the resources available from the production of TFA on, how would you have fixed it to make sure that not just EPs 7 -9 worked together but also the rest of the saga without getting rid of the leads Rey, Finn and Kylo
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