Pin voidextenstions please Naruto cosmology + scaling = planetary or moon at best star with midbai Opm scale above midruto Cosmology: Yhwach explains clearly that the infinite timelines in the bleach cosmology already exist, so they’re already established, and he’s saying these timelines in question are also created, like when ichigo defeated Yhwach was already an existent timeline, he just created it, and he’s saying they’re created by branching, which basically means that bleach not only has dut but mwi, as Yhwach describes the many worlds perfectly by aligning their view of it with the many worlds, these timelines are basically realized via quantum possibilities that being because the timelines in question cannot have 2 coexisting possible worlds of the same aspects, therefore bleach would have an infinite degrees of freedom within its multiverse because of its unending possible and quantum possible worlds, which makes it H1b (High Hyperversal) Hell exists hierarchically in a parallel order which is what an ordered set is, since hell basically follows the structure of an ordered set it’d be infinite dimensional (High Hyperversal) due to its hierarchical nature Yhwach: Transcends all possible and quantum possible worlds, via the cosmology Low outerversal with immeasurable speed Ichigo Kurosaki: Transcends fate which governs time and by extension space, making ichigo low outer via the cosmology and well beyond the conventional frameworks of spacetime giving him immeasurable speed Sosuke Aizen: Scales to Yhwach who transcends all possible worlds and fate itself Low outerversal with immeasurable speed Yhwach can see every possible world of bleach, and Aizen’s shikai was able to create an infinite number of fake possible worlds, since they had to resemble each world clearly in order to actually deceive Yhwach’s almighty amped by the sk’s The Three Realms (WOL, Soul Society, Hueco Mundo) Canon Facts: Each of these realms is called a “sekai” (世界) = “world,” “realm,” or even “universe” depending on context. World of the Living (WOL), Soul Society (SS), Hueco Mundo (HM): Canonically referred to as parallel universes (sekai) in the manga dialogue. "Collapse of the universe" = collapsing all three realms, not just one. Senkaimon = gate between separate parallel realms, not locations on one planet. Meaning: These aren’t countries, cities, or regions , they’re entire independent space-time realms. Sekai =/= just "planet" The word “Sekai” (世界) has multiple meanings depending on kanji usage: World, Society, Universe Context in Bleach = used consistently to refer to cosmic-scale realms, proven by presence of: Moons, stars, galaxies (visual confirmation) “Collapse of the universe” statement Parallel realm travel and balance systems Size Scaling: SS = WOL in size SS and WOL are confirmed equal in scale ("parallel realms"). WOL = contains galaxies. Muken = Infinite Structure Inside Soul Society Stated in anime to be “infinitely large.” Described in official material as having “infinite shadows” Shadows can’t exist infinitely unless space exists to hold and cast them. Soul Society and World of the Living have different time axes. Confirmed in anime: “The time axis is out of sync.” This implies independent temporal dimensions, not just different clocks. Time flow varies between realms. Explicitly shown in visual training chart: 15 days SS = 7–10 days WOL. Not time dilation from relativity ,it’s a difference in the dimension of time itself. A “time gap” forms between SS and WOL. Only possible if time is a localized, realm-dependent coordinate, not a shared one. Confirms: Each realm has its own temporal layer = independent timelines. Relativity and “space-time” are referenced directly. “Rift in space-time” = shows Bleach recognizes and operates with real physics terms. Yukio and Tsukishima’s statements = confirmation of general relativistic effects and even temporal metaphysics (e.g., God of Time > relativity) OUTERVERSAL PRIMORDIAL SEA SCALING: now, to get started with the scale we need to first learn what the primordial sea is. the primordial sea is a realm in bleach that existed before the existence of the three worlds. it predates every concept, and is also stated to be eternal. the primordial sea is a realm where the soul king (adnyeus) resided in. he chose to reshape this realm into 3 different worlds, the soul society, hueco mundo, and the world of the living. with that, adnyeus also created the concept of death and life. this all would have been done using atemporal creation as we know that time didn't exist during that era as all concepts were predated, and creation was in a state of "ambiguity" which means that creation was unclear at that time, and wasn't confirmed and had "inexactness", thus backs up an axiomatic point that atemporal creation was used by the reio, and he also would have created concepts like space, time, death, life and so on, which are all abstract concepts. It's stated that nothing existed before reio did as he is an absolute symbol and presence, so this proves that reio would've been the cause for the existence of the concepts of spacetime and other abstract concepts. The bleach wiki even confirms that reio made the concept of death. by creating and splitting the concept of life and death which are abstract concepts, the reio would scale to outerversal Japanese text:- 原初の海から分かたれた尸魂界、現世、虚圏の三つの世界。 遥く概念の彼方を司る器であり、かつ世界の楔たる存在によって、 量子の世界、語子の世界、砂の墓士の世界が分離され、 「生」と「死」が隔てられた。 English Translation: The three worlds Soul Society, the Human World, and Hueco Mundo were separated from the Primordial Sea. These were vessels governing far beyond the horizon of concepts, and by the existence that served as the wedge of all worlds, the world of particles, the world of words, and the world of the sand mortician were divided. Thus, the concepts of “Life” and “Death” were separated. 3)ICHIGO OUTERVERSAL SCALING: Ichigo can shatter fate Fate is a supernatural concept, and supernatural is outerversal because something super natural is beyond scientific understanding and scientific understanding includes things like the concept of space and time, spatiotemporal dimensionality amongst other things, since they are scientific principles and valid logic explanations Ichigo is Outerversal 4) KŌTOTSU SCALING: The cleaner is a being of reason, and reason defines most of metaphysics as reason is the logical justification of everything that is logical, with that said reason would define the concept of space and time and would scale to it Aizen transcends everything as said within the unmasked databooks, no the kanji used isn’t context dependent and i will explain why. the kanji used (subete / 全て) can function in 2 different ways, adverb and noun, subete is functioning as a noun due to the fact it is representing the the object of what is being transcended (i.e. everything). in short, the verb “transcend” is acting upon the noun “everything”, making subete a noun in this context.aizen is stated to “transcend everything” (translations below) within the unmasked databooks, no the kanji used isn’t context dependent and i will explain why. the kanji used (subete / 全て) can function in 2 different ways, adverb and noun, subete is functioning as a noun due to the fact it is representing the the object of what is being transcended (i.e. everything). In short, the verb “transcend” is acting upon the noun “everything”, making subete a noun in this context. Aizen transcends the cleaner which is the concept of spacetime, him destroying the cleaner helps support his transcendence over the cleaner. This scale can be concluded in 2 different ways according to your interpretation: Via transcending the cleaner which defines the concept of spacetime and scales to it, aizen is Outerversal. Via destroying the cleaner which is the concept of spacetime, aizen is Low Outerversal. Rebunks for "transcending reason" If you prove everything is a concept in bleach, this no longer matters, as Aizen would be destroying the concept of reason, which is the concept of Judgement, cause and explanation. In Bleach's Philosophical context (now using 2 different arguments to support each other, conceptual and philosophical) it uses reason as something that's beyond the scope of spiritual entities, The Kototsu is a being of reason. Saying you can't scale reason is fallacious because scaling the cleaner feat anywhere, automatically means you are scaling something of reason. Being able to surpass the concept of reason, means being above science itself. Above space above time, and combining this with the conceptual Argument (once again referencing both the conceptual and philosophical argument to support each other) this would put Aizen conceptually above space and time, or Outerversal. Bleach + opm verse >>>>>>>>> composite naruto NEG DIFF
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Naruto cuz it’s comp but if it was regular Naruto then Yhwach no diffs + verse
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Ppl don't know what composite means. It means every version of a character into one. So in this case jump force Naruto is included
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At this point, I feel like people make these polls just to see how fast it would take for a argument to break out
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Ya'll realize comp Naruto also has JF Naruto and Storm Naruto right?
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Composite Naruto includes Naruto from Jump Force who can fight entities that are beyond boundless
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