Could the Mongols have conquered Europe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id2OgnzTzho
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Disunity amongst the sons of Genghis and their children was the ultimate killer of Mongol hegemony
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Man, everyone's wrong on this one. News of the khan's death didn't reach the European front until after they'd already started pulling back. And Europe's fortifications were abysmal. After this invasion many European leaders invested in building up greater fortifications, which then were successful at repelling the Mongols in their second invasion during the 1280s. But in the 1240s it was mostly weather and the fact they'd never planned on long-term occupation to begin with that caused them to finally pull-out. It was always more of a pillaging run than an attempt at colonization. Remember, they told European farmers in the areas they occupied that they would be safe to work. Then once the harvest was brought in slaughtered many of them. Not the actions of rulers planning to stick around for the next season.
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European warfare was also diametrically opposed to Mongols' style of warfare too.
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Considering the mongols had overcame numerous challenges during their expansion, it must have been a confluence of issues.
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All of the above and with the death of Ogedai Khan being the biggest factor followed by a mix of better European fortifications/resistance and terrain/weather. Also wasn't there a papal envoy(monk?)that studied Mongol Warfare and their way of thinking made a treatise about it but was ignored by the Europeans if they listened they might have fares better during the initial invasion.
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What fortifications and resistance had Europe put up in 1242?
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I seem to recall there was a battle called Grobnik field the same year where Hungarians and Croatians defeated the Mongols. Now some seem to suggest that this is a mythical/fake battle but I see little evidence of it. And it would be one explanation to Mongol retreat. Given how we know the death of the Khan was not known at the time of pulling back. So there had to be some other reason.
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I think they just done what they wanted to do at the moment and went back. Some Mongol chronics says that Batu was inconcious of the Great Khan death.
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Why did the Mongols retreat from Eastern Europe in 1242?
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