As soon as he said "I don't know what he believes," I sort of had to stop there because, this is not a serious way to talk about discourse. I might watch in the background just to see how Big Papa deals with this sort of inauthentic and disingenuous style of nitpicking argument edit: holy cow, i have never been exposed to nick fuentes really until this clip about 8 minutes in. This man is actively saying the black people are terrible and jews have ruined his life, and your interlocutor here "doesn't know" if Nick Fuentes is racist??? I wonder who else is racist...
1 month ago (edited) | 167
It's weird seeing how much this debatebro mindset has absolutely ruined some people's capacity for discourse. PF Jung is acting like he's in a high school forensics tournament and Big Joel is just trying to have a conversation and explain his take.
1 month ago | 67
Ugh, hats off to you for being able to get through this conversation. It turns my stomach to see how primed the “center” is for fascism - critical thought is completely out the window, just cling to things the right says that you agree with and imagine away the things you don’t, racism is ok as long as it’s not this narrowly defined “biological based” racism - we are so thoroughly cooked. So few people know how to think anymore
1 month ago | 38
This is a great example about why you don’t have to debate some people. It is a net-negative that dude has a platform and there is nothing to be gained by engaging with him. It is a “trap” because we have been taught that “rational debate” is how we pick good ideas, but that requires both people be serious about that goal. Dude is not serious. 😊
1 month ago | 47
This has got to be one of the worst people to debate, his strategies of getting hung up on semantics and basically just saying “mmm nope” without any elaboration to your truth claims was so frustrating to watch. I can only imagine how frustrating it was to actually speak to him.
1 month ago | 162
Okay, not trying to go over to his channel and spread hate or anything so I'll say it here. Uhhhh, this dude sucks
1 month ago | 261
What a painful watch. That dude is just a raw nerve of contradictions and reactionary emoting, but because he a high school debate club grasp of rhetoric he imagines his points are arrived at via intellectual investigation.
1 month ago | 67
"Enlightened centrist" that should tell you enough really
1 month ago | 168
I'm at 12:30 and he disagreed with Joels analysis that "nick using pseudo-intellectual to mask ppls indulgence in freakish impulses (basically being racist)" bc "if that were true nick wouldn't have been this board-based popular" is just so anti-intellectual at its core it's laughable
1 month ago | 82
seeing "Is debating the holocaust anti-Semitic?" in the description, think I might give it a miss
1 month ago | 79
I was astounded by your ability to continue to try to explain what racism is to this person without combusting
1 month ago | 7
Fun fact, about an hour into this the guy starts "just asking questions" about the IQ divide between white and black people.
1 month ago | 13
I don't even understand what Paul's goal is. I'm all for giving people the grace benefit of the doubt and assume they're not immediatly white supremacist bigots. But based on his arguments, it just sounds like he wants to launder Nick Fuentes's image because he kinf of agrees with him. Or at best he doesn't care about racism. Especially at the end where he suggested a debate between Big Joel and Fuentes. Long Joel did a great job keeping calm though. Good on Alpha Joel.
1 month ago | 2
I have a tendency to feel bad for people who seem backed into a corner, but boy did he pick a corner to back himself into
1 month ago | 28
I like that the clips he shows just make his point look really bad lol
1 month ago | 39
Paul is so beyond awful holy shit.. watched the entire debate because I'm a masochist and wow your composure and civility and reason throughout is beyond anything I've ever seen from any debate bro.
1 month ago | 14
That guy is crazy. He claims to be a centrist but is really bending over backwards to defend him.
1 month ago | 1
Big Joel
Hey, I just engaged in a very odd online conversation with a relatively small YouTuber named PF Jung. He made a video where he claimed that we understate the value Nick Fuentes rejecting broad based racial hatred, and I disagreed with him. In the end, the conversation took a few pretty wild and unexpected turns, so, you know, enjoy that if you like! https://youtu.be/mLgs8p-KApk?si=odd83...
1 month ago | [YT] | 265