I hope you bring up the whole susie and ralsei returning to their positions in battle when they get downed (swooned?) that I mentioned. but also, having thought about it, it's kinda weird no matter how you slice it (lol). like some people interpret the knight teleporting behind susie and ralsei, but... wouldn't that mean they should fall toward the right anyway? and even if they did hit from the front it's still notable that they just happen to stop right where they were standing for the battle. also, like that one commenter mentioned, it is entirely possible Kris did a backswing, meaning they would've been hit from the right anway. ALSO, I forget if you covered it, but I think you really need to take into account that narratively you're not really supposed to win the battle against the knight. if kris has any motivation, it might be that they needed the knight to do whatever it is they agreed to that badly. like no matter if you win or lose, the knight still does their weird beam thing to toriel, gets interrupted by undyne, and runs off with her instead.
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The main questions I would want answered if I were to be convinced that the theory is a real possibility (I'm currently not) are (1) "what does the slash 'animation' represent?" and (2) "why does literally nothing change in ch. 4 (aside from Seam being happy you got the shadow crystal)?" First, I do not think it makes sense to attribute the slashes to Kris based on the visuals. I can see why it seems plausible from a really high-level view: the slash graphic appears to go the wrong way for The Knight and the right way for Kris, we can be pretty confident that Kris and The Knight are working together, and we know that Kris can obscure our vision by closing their eyes. My problem is that the details don't make sense. If Kris is supposed to have done it, the slash is comically large, way too fast, and applies force in the wrong direction. Regarding size, imagine Kris extending their arm fully to the side, holding their sword outwards in a straight line, then slashing it fully acrpss their body, handing it off to their other hand mid-way to end in the same pose. Ignoring the fact that this is a really awkward way to handle a sword, that arc is still much smaller than the one that we see. I am aware that artistic liscence is a thing, but this seems like it goes way too far to be that, especially if we're supposed to see this on repeat playthroughs and think "oh, wait, that was Kris!" There'd be a much better argument for artistic liscence if the slash went all the way across the entire screen, because then it would be much more obviously non-literal, but what we see truely does seem to be representative of the physical space the slashes occupied. As for timing, the slashes appear the instant the screen turns black. Kris is not in range to slash Susie, or especially Ralsei, in that instant (not to mention that they're facing the wrong way and iirc aren't holding their sword). imo that animation would not lose any impact if there was a short pause between the screen turning black and the slash appearing. If Kris were the one doing it, I'd expect that pause to exist, to "show" them taking a step or two into their swing. Lastly, forces: The slashes cause Ralsei and Susie to slide to the left. If your interpretation of the swing direction is correct (and again, I can see the argument with the visuals), then they should've gone to the right. When a person is struck by something, they do not move towards it and in so doing phase through the object that struck them. They are pushed away by the moving object. Ralsei's physically weird, so maybe one can make an excuse for him, but we know Susie behaves normally w.r.t. physical forces. As I said, I know artistic liberty's a thing. If you can explain what those slashes * could * be intended to represent that is consistent with Kris being the attacker, then this isn't solid proof against it (though I expect it'll remain decent counterevidence). My biggest problem is with the forces. I don't buy the slash from behind that somehow pushes struck characters backwards. That is not the sort of thing that artists tend to cheat, because it looks very wrong to everyone. My own interpretation of the slash is that it represents a freeze frame of a really fast attack. idk if Kris closed their eyes or something else caused the darkness (or it was a pure artistic choice), but I could believe it was Kris either knowing what was about to happen and not wanting to see it or trying to hide it from the player. Regarding ch. 4, I understand in broad strokes why it's plausible that not much would be different. There are really two main things that bother me about it. The first is Susie. Sure, she doesn't know that Kris struck her, but she should at least know that * someone * other than the knight did. Unlike Kris, she didn't close her eyes. So why doesn't she say something about this mysterious assailant? Why didn't she ask "...who knocked us down?" or say "The Knight has to be working with at least one other person," or any other thing like that? I can see 'possible' explanations, but I cannot think of anything that isn't a pretty significant stretch. The second is Ralsei. Sure, we can pretty reasonably say that he doesn't want to mistreat the player over Kris' actions, but he does not seem to like Kris themselves any less for it either. At a minimum, I am very surprised that he still thinks highly enough of Kris to say that their piano playing was cool at the end of ch. 4, since he seems to do that purely out of friendship towards exactly Kris.
3 months ago
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Strange and maybe uncertain behavior of Kris in some moments (ch1-ch4) Of course, this is a little out of the scope from your theory (understatement), but... Interesting questions arise about Kris' motivation in general, because there are some instabilities in behavior (instances of caring, but also malice) To some extent, the visual images for some frescoes of prophecy, from this point of view, look also intriguing. (image of Soul, that is surrounded by two hands; similar to image of Dagger, that also surrounded by two hands)
3 months ago
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There are a few problems. One: The slash is way too long. It is almost as long as the party‘s battle formation. Another is something I don’t see a lot of people talking about: Why would Kris be able to Swoon? They have never shown to be able to do so. It makes sense for why the Knight can considering just how much damage it does and (more importantly) how much Impact their attacks have. They slice the Box to pieces and most attacks shake the screen without even hitting you. It is not possible for Kris to generate this much impact in a fight. By that logic, they wouldn’t have needed Noelle against Spamton.
3 months ago | 1
I already left a comment on ur last video but it didnt get any response so I'll just summarize it here - twisted sword seems like an abandoned weird route item, given the trance stats on it and thorn ring are different (thorn ring has trance while twisted sword lowers trance). - there isn't really any explanation for kris being that strong at that point in the story. - kris slash theory doesn't have a narrative purpose it serves. It doesn't really prove anything that we don't already know.
3 months ago
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You missed out on a crucial piece of evidence - Kris’ pronouns are “they slash them”. It’s been right in front of us the whole time.
3 months ago
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DoubleDan
It's settled, I'm going to make a follow-up video to the Kris Slash theory! I'll clarify some of the points from the first vid that caused confusion/disagreement and go over the new evidence that have been suggested. This includes counterevidence I missed AND new supporting evidence.
Let me know if there's anything in particular related to the theory that you want me to cover or explain in the next video!
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