There was only one option either Paradis wipes out the world, or the world wipes out Paradis. And the world wipes out Paradis.
8 months ago | 25
absolutely not. just prolonging the inevitable while also still not breaking their own generational curses, which is exactly what Eren was all about. no more children eating their parents.
8 months ago | 24
The 50 year is total bull crap because the colossal titans can be easily destroyed by dropping bombs on them from the sky. We literally saw that happen in the final season
8 months ago | 34
No way the 50 year plan would have ever worked. Assuming, of course, that everyone involved acted like real human beings instead of how everyone acted in the ending. There were only 3 possible scenarios that could have played out (until the ending shat out a harebrained fourth scenario that somehow miraculously worked because the plot required it to) because they are the only three scenarios that are present in the story itself. Those are: 1) Zeke’s Euthanasia Plan. One of two scenarios that would actually solve the Titan problem, and Eren even recognizes this. But there is plenty of textual evidence that explains why he wouldn’t go with this plan, chiefly because it goes against his ideology and his values and would require that he sacrifice Historia. So clearly he didn’t choose this option 2) The 50 Year Plan. This plan is full of holes, chief among them being that it’s an extremely risky gamble that the rest of the world wouldn’t retaliate as soon as humanly possible against Paradis. Not exactly great odds to stake your island’s future on. The common argument is that the partial Rumbling would take out the world’s military might, therefore buying Paradis enough time to catch up. But this ignores the fact that the rest of the world still vastly outnumbers Paradis in resources, infrastructure, and population. That’s the important one. It doesn’t matter how fast Paradis can advance, the rest of the world can still recover faster than Paradis ever could advance to the point where it would make any difference. Then there’s the element of human behavior I mentioned earlier. If Eren partially destroys the world, it would only prove to the rest of the survivors (many of whom would have lost someone in the partial Rumbling) that they were right to hate and fear Paradis all along, and would spurn everyone (who already hated Paradis in the first place) to work all the harder to ensure their eradication. There’s absolutely no guarantee that they could buy the full 50 years. In fact it’s likely they wouldn’t. All it would take is some public outcry, some whispers in the right ears, to further stoke the flames of war. Even if the world has only a fraction of their military might left, there are many other ways to bring Paradis down, albeit much more subtle. Ultimately this plan wouldn’t change anything, because Paradis is still holding the world hostage with the threat of the Rumbling, exactly as it had this whole time (albeit unknowingly). And as we saw in Marley, ruling through oppression and fear only breeds resentment and fuels the flames of rebellion. And you wanna know the kicker? This entire section of my comment is rendered obsolete by the fact that the 50 year plan still requires that Historia be sacrificed. Mic drop 3) The Rumbling (100% obviously🙄). This one solves all of Eren’s problems. He finds freedom for himself and his people, he doesn’t sacrifice Historia, he solves the Titan problem, and the only thing it costs is the world. Is it evil? Absolutely. But Eren knows this. He says that he pushes himself through this hell to find what awaits on the other side. He doesn’t know what that is, but the only way he can know is if he keeps moving forward. This is the only solution that could have actually worked, and the story was written as such Or Eren could do none of these and do an 80% Rumbling that he doesn’t even survive and guarantees the annihilation of everything he fought for… Guess he wasn’t lying when he said he was an idiot
8 months ago | 10
The fifty year plan proposes that instead of hitting the world with the rumbling before they're ready the Eldians should partially use the rumbling and give the world an understanding of how it could mount a defense. Instead of swiftly ending the conflict, the fifty year plan wants the Eldians to continue a brutal cycle of ritual cannibalism where daughter eats mother and son eats father to hold on to their weapons of war while never using them. The fifty year plan cannot guarantee that a small strike force won't assault Paradise despite the partial rumbling. It simply assumes no nation will try. An assumption disproven when even after the declaration of war decimates military high command a small strike force still assaults Paradise and the Eldians take heavy losses. All this sacrifice and risk on the part of the Eldians all so that they can join a cold war instead of a hot war to avoid killing the other nations of the world who have been inviting conflict for centuries. Nations of the world whose military, social, and financial leaders will go on to cheer for the eradication of Eldian kind. It's a plan with no guarantees, full of risks, seeking to save the lives of bigots and warmongers.
8 months ago (edited) | 6
It was never going to work First of all: S4 Ep 1: The Countries of the outside made weapons that can pierce Reiner's armor This proves that production of Anti-Titan Warfare is accelerating S4 Ep 2: Marley sits down and decided to take the Founding Titan (The power of a God to stay on top again) S4 Ep 16: Pieck tells Gabi this, once titan powers are obsolete Marley is going to kill them all S4 ep 28/Ch 130: The Global Allied Fleet, the canons on their ships destroyed somewhat 50 to 70 colossal titans Again proving the Anti-Titan weapons are powerful The 50 year Plan means a small scale Rumbling to destroy Marley's military It doesn't matter, full or small Rumbling Starting the Rumbling proves to the world they are a dangerous therefore the production of those weapons would speed up...thus if they start the Rumbling again, it will be meaningless because the weapons they have in that time will be too powerful and Paradis Island will be destoryed The proof of this: S4 Ep 17: Pieck's Anti Titan rifle cannon took one month to make by the way 50 Year plan involves Historia and her children being killed Ch 130: Eren says he won't let children continue to eat their parents Edit: Eren and Eldia attacked Marley Killed all the Top officials Destroyed their fleet Armin is talking to Annie and says: "If we didn't, Marley would attack us." Marley attacks them one month later A small Rumbling would just have the outside world bomb the Island faster
8 months ago (edited) | 25
The story itself proves that it wouldn’t have worked in the end. However long you want to say after Eren’s stupid-ass 80% Rumbling, they eventually come back and completely wipe Paradis out. If you want to say it was civil war (which it isn’t but ok) then ok, even BEFORE that they came back after the Liberio attack. There is no possible way they wouldn’t retaliate at some point no matter how long it would take. They already hated Paradis and wanted to attack them just out of FEAR, of the Rumbling. THEN THEY ACTUALLY DID IT, but the 50 year plan (which requires a small Rumbling) would work? no.
8 months ago | 10
Considering the vast majority of people outside the walls are raging racists, it wouldn't have worked. The best plan that reduces the number of suffering overall would be a combination of the 50 year plan (i.e. using the rumbling as a short term threat) and Zeke's plan (the self inflicted genocide of the eldians due to the founding titan making every eldian infertile). By the time the outside world gathered their forces to attack eldians, the eldians would have already died out
8 months ago (edited) | 8
Nop, it would have been similar to a cold war with the other nations coming together to create a weapon more powerful, also by killing only the armies everyone else would see them even more as a threat and would demand vengeance
8 months ago | 15
The 50 year plan wouldn't have worked, it's so unreliable and it has quite a bit of flaws. 1. The 50 year plan would just enforce and confirm Marley's/other nations hatred of the Eldians specifically on Paradis even more. 2. The 50 year plan would just require Paradis to keep fighting for years and years against the world by that time titans would become unreliable and ineffective against the advanced technology of the world and considering how far behind Paradis is in technology, they'd be cooked 3. The only way the Founding titan can be fully utilized without the royals being brainwashed by the vow-renouncing war is have one royal become a pure titan or a titan shifter and have one non-royal hold the Founding titan then have them touch. This means Historia would have to eat Zeke to become a titan shifter and produce royal blooded children. Then her children would have to eat her. Eren's Founding titan would also have to passed down to another person who isn't of royalty to avoid the vow-renouncing war. There's so many things that go wrong here like what if the one of the children refuse to cooperate or they're killed then they would have to be watched 24/7 therefore making their lives hell. How can you be sure that the person that you're entrusting the Founding titan to isn't going to betray you? Lastly, I know this one is a bit far-fetched but it can happen, what if the royal blooded child is infertile then how are they going to reproduce?
8 months ago (edited) | 4
It wouldn't work because the first step, releasing a partial rumbling, would just confirm Paradis a threat and speed up its destruction from the rest of the world. They wouldn't have time to defend themselves. Unless they somehow managed to destroy every foreign military base without commiting genocide or mass murder. Even if Paradis sent small doses of colossal titans, in the given time of 50 years, the world could figure out a way to kill those titans. And again, I think the world would just jump to kill Paradis. Isayama really wrote himself into a corner because no matter what the world was just going to invade Paradis.
8 months ago | 4
Not really since it would make Paradis fight against the whole world for years and as years pass, Titans will become less and less reliable, and if they didn't manage to catch up with the world, they won't last much
8 months ago | 7
The plan was fundamentally doomed from the get go. Firstly, The goal of the plan was to buy Paradis time to catch up to the rest of the world but who's to say the outside world wouldn't make their own military advancements in that time thus rewidening the gap? It was explicitly pointed out that the power of the Titans was becoming obsolete due to advancing anti Titan weaponry which is why Zeke was able to convince the Marleyan officials to resume the Paradis operation. Secondly, the population of Paradis is only roughly a million people and most of them are just regular civilians who wouldn't be able to fight a war. Paradis is hilariously outnumbered to the point where even if they were able to catch up to the rest of the world with their weaponry, they'd still get defeated easily because they don't have the numbers necessary to be able to hold their own in any sort of prolonged conflict. Even if every single Paradisian was fighting in the war, they still wouldn't be able to hold a candle to the amount of soldiers the other nations have.
8 months ago (edited) | 7
Even if the 50 year plan sets into motion. The outside world would just need to find a way to sneak in to Paradis island and plant a nuke and BOOM! Island gone.
8 months ago | 4
I still think it could work, but completely contradict the theme of sins of the father, why burn the children of paradise for the outside world, who have gained chances before of doing better, but still the same.
8 months ago | 4
Doing the 50 year would had make the whole Civil War arc and Historia character development worthless! Plus, Eren hates the royal female and their dogma. Look how made he was when Frieya said she would let everyone die in within the walls. (That Eren and Zeke Path Memory travel)
8 months ago | 4
>50y meme *kek* We really gotta do this again? To the last. Only way shy of some absurdity that is arguably more monstrous with forced miscegenation after sacrificing some ideals. But if he cares about Historia (as he did **among other factors**), that's off the table.
8 months ago | 2
It would never work and it would also mean the story (titan curse) never ends. While they might have the time to get technologicaly advanced by doing a partial rumbling it would simply result in a war not in peace. Eldians simply wouldn't have the upper hand in it. I guess ppl think sacrificing Historia's kids would make the eldians more noble or less evil if a war/rumbling was to happen.
7 months ago | 1
I think it could have worked but not with the set of pants commanders Paradis had left. A very well executed 50 year plan could have worked with the right people involved. And by this plan working I don’t necessarily mean that Paradis would never have conflicts and wars, BUT it could build itself up to be stronger, gain incredible allies, and ultimately thrive. I guess the thought is essentially like how in our world countries have nuclear power Just as a warning so they are not messed with. But some level of war will always exist ey, unless yeah you wipe out the whole damn world 😭
8 months ago | 2
Serenity
Give me your thoughts on the 50-year plan.
Did you believe it would have worked? Some Ending Haters believe in the 50-year plan for some reason, so I just want to ask.
I already know my answer.
8 months ago | [YT] | 77