i will avidly fight for this theory but i will also happily accept it to be made irrelevant by the events in future chapters it's a fun perception of the events in the game and your videos breaking them down were very entertaining
3 months ago
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Personally, I like the theory that Kris is actually against what the Knight is doing, but is obligated for some reason to Carol and the Knight. That's a bit unrelated but I think it's an interesting point.
3 months ago (edited) | 15
While interesting, a lot of the evidence is a bit hard to buy into as something we were ever intended to analyze. Specifically, the slash and portrait argument. The slash sound sounding similar is a lot easier to explain by just considering that ALL slashing sounds similar, because it's just something sharp cutting air, and there's no reason for Toby to make a whole new slash sound for each different characters doing that. The portrait's eyes showing directly what the character is looking at implies that this is something we've been meant to consider for ALL of the game's dialogue and doesn't really take into account that there are only a handful of sprites for each character, so it's not possible to really design each sprite for each conversation with intent to show directly what the character is supposed to be looking at when cross-referenced with their in-world sprite. But tbh the biggest thing I'd say pushing against the theory, is that when analyzed from a meta-perspective, it just doesn't make sense why Toby would do it or deal with as it then has been dealt with. What does it add to the story that Kris slashes their friends instead of the knight? We already know Kris and the Knight are aligned, we know that Kris cares for their friends, we know that Kris wanted to intentionally lose. The only thing it would establish is that Kris is secretly this super powerful badass who can one hit the entire party at any moment, which just seems a bit boring and goes against the whole point of the weird route with them relying on Noelle and also them not using the "omega huge sweeping slash" move against Spamton in the weird route. More pressingly, if Kris was to do something so significant, why would Toby hide it /that/ much? I'm very sure a huge moment like that is something Toby would /want/ the players to notice. Especially I just can't buy that Ralsei would /see/ the event, then react with shock and terror, and then just never address it again. The explanation of "he knew it would happen" is kinda disproven by his surprised he acts when it happens. I'm also sure /SOMETHING/ in Chapter 4 would reflect Ralsei's fear and disapproval of Kris downright openly betraying them to side with the Roaring knight. Ralsei probably wouldn't trust Kris to help them stop the Roaring Knight if he knew Kris was working with them.
3 months ago (edited) | 32
I feel like especially with how Susie was mocking it, Kris did the more merciful option as it might have actually killed them.
3 months ago
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There's definitely something up. The scene is in many ways made to be ambiguous and don't show what actually happens.
2 months ago | 1
I think your videos were super interesting and just a joy to watch (might give a rewatch just because it was so good) but I have made the irrational human decision to not believe it until it's confirmed. To me, the occam's razor explanation just makes more sense. But if it is confirmed, you will be remembered by me as one of the great geniuses of the community. Objectively speaking, I'd give it a 50% shot it's true, but I personally lean it's false. No shade tho, love the vids
3 months ago
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I really liked the idea of the twisted sword being the shelter key lol
3 months ago
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Dan, put on the middle of video a message like "please subscribe, it will take less than 10 seconds and it will be a immense help to me", I love your work and I think you deserved much more subscribers, I've already recommended your channel to all my friend:)
2 months ago | 1
i struggle to believe it, but the videos definitely went a long way to persuade me. The x-slash point and particularly Ralsei's text when it happens are by far the strongest evidence for the theory in my opinion
3 months ago | 2
Kris should not be strong enough to one shot Susie so easily.
2 months ago | 4
Haven’t seen an actual alternative reading proposed of what’s going on in those two scenes, just subjective objections like “Kris just wouldn’t do that” (like we know what their motivations are??) or “you really think Ralsei would do that, just play dumb and not bring up something that’s inconvenient” (Yes??)
3 months ago | 1
My main issue is why doesnt ralsei bring this up again. They are clearly aware that kris is the one that slashed susie, yet we see know mention of the events in chapter 4, when Ralsei and kris have a couple instances of being alone with eachother.
2 months ago (edited) | 0
i actually thought kris was the one who slashed them during my first playtrough, so yeah.
3 months ago | 1
I think there is a pretty big chance it's true. I can see a few possible reasons for Kris to do it. Or a mix of them. First reason: Kris knows how dangerous the Knight is, and, fearing that the Knight would get angry and just kill their friends, knocked Susie and Ralsei out to keep them alive. That's also why Kris doesn't want Susie to go to the shelter, which is the Knight's base right now. Second reason: There is a possibility that Kris knows the full prophecy, and, moreover, they think, for some reason, it has to be fulfilled. Maybe it's somehow connected to the promise given to the Knight. In Kris's mind, completing the prophecy is the only way for something to be done, or to prevent something terrible, so they desperately stop anyone who tries to ruin it. The Knight opens the fountains while Kris seals them - this goes according to the prophecy. Susie gains access to the shelter, or the Fun Gang defeating the Knight in the TV world - isn't, so Kris prevents it. Kris might feel obligated to work with the Knight because of guilt, if we assume the Knight is Dess, and Kris is somehow involved in her disappearance (directly or not). Because of that, Kris just can't say "no" to the Knight. What is in common with those reasons is that Kris feels paralyzed by fear and/or learned helplessness to try any different solution. They can see only one way as possible, and they might even fight someone who would try to make them go a different direction. And it's not because they're evil, that's just their mindset right now. About Ralsei's reaction, why he acts normal towards Kris later. Well, Ralsei already knew Kris is working with the Knight. He knows the whole prophecy, and he said everything that had happened so far was just like in it. Also, he knows a lot about Kris's life in the Light World, there is no way for him not to know about their alliance. Worth mentioning, Ralsei's reaction towards Undyne getting kidnapped. In the Castle Town, when Susie has worries about her, Ralsei tries to change the subject by saying "she'll be fine." As if Ralsei knew Undyne getting taken is something that's supposed to happen, but he thinks they can do nothing about it. During the battle with the Knight, Ralsei hoped that the prophecy could actually end if you win. Because if you talk to him after defeating the Knight, he will say "I thought we could end the battle here and now." It feels like winning here would mean that there is no threat anymore. The player wasn't even supposed to last against the Knight that long. Even Gaster admitted it. So, seeing the player winning made Ralsei, for the first time, have some hope, only for Kris to shatter it down a moment later. The way Ralsei reacts toward Kris is not out of feeling betrayed, but rather out of anger and confusion. Something like "we could end it all, why did you have to do this?" Ralsei doesn't understand what drives Kris to go that far, hurt their friends, and ruin the victory. But after all, Ralsei just accepts that there is no way to change the prophecy. After the battle, Ralsei also will say "our struggle... it's only beginning, isn't it, Kris?" And he is talking directly to Kris here, with some sort of disappointment. And asks them to go check on Susie. The way Ralsei said it though "If I'm hurt this badly, then Susie must be..." - I think it could be read as Ralsei being passive-aggressive towards Kris. Like, "Look what you've done! At least go make sure Susie is not hurt that much because of you, Kris." Also, Ralsei is talking only about Susie, nothing about Undyne, which implies that Ralsei knew this would happen to her. By the start of chapter 4, Ralsei had some time to calm down. While Ralsei didn't understand what exactly could make Kris do this, since Ralsei is not good at reading people’s emotions, Ralsei understands that this is just the way Kris is. Besides, Ralsei probably feels like he has no right to judge Kris, because Ralsei is kind of the same (I mean, he hides the truth as well, knew Undyne would be kidnapped, did nothing to save her). After accepting all of this, at the end of chapter 4, Ralsei tries to comfort and reassure Kris that maybe the prophecy can be changed and offers them to watch the end together and have some hope. And the last thing I wanted to address is the way that whole slash scene was presented. There are a lot of black screens without a sound. And I wonder, what if that moment is like this because it is actually from Kris's perspective? We know, when Kris closes their eyes, we can't see anything as well. And all soundtracks we hear, Kris can hear too (at least in the Dark World). Kris has played chapter 2 themes on the piano, Susie also can recognize some of them. So, those black screen silent moments could imply Kris's perception of reality at that moment. They felt so bad for doing it, that their brain just blocked "bad memories" in real time. Some sort of dissociation.
3 months ago | 3
Yeaah, just going with occam's razor, there's TOO many odd points to even consider it, and the fact that Kris knowingly would slash Susie in front of Ralsei, who could LITERALLY have just told her about it and utterly ruin the party is a massive gamble, when the Knight is right there to be the one that stops holding back.
3 months ago | 1
I loved the way you broke it down, to me it is very likely that the theory is true, but let's be fair it could have been both the knight and kris. I still think it's the knight that swoon susie and ralsei because when we kill them in the s rank game, kris turns his head. OK I know that could also mean he's checking if someone is there but let's be fair, even if it's not that it still makes it more plausible that it was the knight and not kris, which, just by probabilities, makes that kris did not slash susie and ralsei. Which also mean he would have done that but didn't just feel like it...? Ok I have no backup for that but atleast you get what I trying to say
2 months ago | 0
I still just think it’s weird for Kris to attack susie when it’s been so well established that they’d defend her whenever she’s attacked. I can somewhat believe Kris letting the knight swoon her if they know it has to happen, but a full on 180 just doesn’t make much sense with how often Kris actively defends her. I honestly might’ve been more inclined to believe it if Ralsei was attacked first, since while Kris clearly doesn’t hate him given chapter 4 scenes, they haven’t gone out of their way to defend him, plus this happening pre chapter 4 so Kris doesn’t actually know about ralsei’s struggles yet would help its case, but Susie being singled out first makes it really hard to believe.
3 months ago | 1
As cool as it is, Kris averting their eyes during the sword route mini games as well as signaling for the knight to wrap it up at the end of a no hit fight (if they were the slasher why would they need to do that?) is damning evidence for the contrary imo.
2 months ago | 0
DoubleDan
For those who watched the Kris Slash videos, what do you guys think?
You can just pick whichever one you're leaning towards, it doesn't have to mean you think it's 'confirmed' or 'canon'.
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