Nobody can "do better" if we constantly hold up the bad version of someone like it's all they'll ever be.
3 weeks ago
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The idea that anyone should "pay" for anything comes across as believing too much in the corrupt prison and punishment system. It especially rubs me the wrong way when the thing they need to "pay for" was all talk and no action, when there are countless predators and bigots walking around free from ridicule. The big thing to focus on should really be how he's addressing his past music now, which as much as I don't like Taylor Swift comes across as immature, especially when compared to the clear emotional intelligence present in his music. It doesn't irritate me enough to not see him as one of the greatest living artists though, lol.
3 weeks ago | 28
I feel like saying that he should "pay" is not very helpful terminology. Tyler is already paying the price of his edgelord past: his fanbase. What hes been very bad at doing is acknowledging and especially apologizing for his dubious past
3 weeks ago | 19
"Maturing" is not enough, that's individualising the problem. He needs to take accountability as his actions hurt people regardless of his intentions. But framing it as "paying a price" would be wrong.
3 weeks ago | 6
I’ve been listening to Tyler for 12 years atp , I genuinely love the music. There’s designers actively walking free after doing the shit he tweeted about.
3 weeks ago | 1
I never fxcked w Tyler or OddFuture when I was in high school (2012 - 2015) and I could never understand why people did. It wasn’t until the release of Cherry Bomb. I was coming out as both trans and queer around that time, BLM was really popping off, and I was getting more involved in political activism and just a general drive towards changing the world around me. Cherry Bomb was the coming out album for me. As I began playing around more with my gender expression, Tyler’s style and Odd Future really made me feel seen as a young, black, genderfxcked queer person. Cherry Bomb really illuminated a tonal shift from resentment and edgelordness to blatantly identifying racism and rebelling with a purpose, it felt like. That album and his actions at that time (like calling out New Zealand, making pro-gay photoshoots) I guess felt like progression, growth, and remorse for his past actions. It was getting to a point where neither his audience nor Tyler could run away from his blackness, and further and further he would continue to lean into it. I have many thoughts of examination pertaining to Tyler from me side-eyeing the adults in his life that encouraged the behavior and lyrics of his earlier work to the glaring lack of brown and dark skinned women portrayals in his work overall. Not gonna pretend like I have this person, his fanbase (which I guess I’ve ignored mostly cos I mostly just fxck with black people the long way anyway so those are the only fans I’ve ever acknowledged personally), or those that criticize him all figured out. But I do know that I am incredibly thankful for Tyler, the safe expressive spaces he’s built, and the ingenuity and realness that he continues to stand by.
13 hours ago
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i listen to horrorcore on occasion and have for a long time but thats where i found him first+his stuff with adult swim, so maybe its because im more familiar with everything that was being done but idk man. He doesnt deny it was part of his life but hes quite literally grown up. I dont blame him for not wanting to be poked with his edgy teenage choices that ballooned 24/7 because people cant move forward with him and keep dragging his literal teenage bullshit. 2007 was so long ago my brother was born that year and he has a fucking one year old now. Tyler could barely drive a a fucking car when wolf gang started. He was banned from traveling to the UK over his lyrics i think hes felt the fucking sting. I think hes got the penitent scars by this point hes just not willing to show the blood that came from them and people dont like that.
3 weeks ago | 3
of course you guys don’t care because yall stand for literally nothing 💕
3 weeks ago | 1
Him having a TV show tie in with Odd Future made it clear he was just doing it for fun, maybe at the expense of others but edgy humor was more than normal and it never felt exploitative or harmful. Flowerboy made it pretty clear he was bi. Who even keeps receipts irl like the dude is funny and talented and has more than proven himself capable and respectable.
3 weeks ago
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One of his more recent lyrics that made me cringe was on SORRY NOT SORRY: “Sorry I don’t know your pronouns. I don’t mean no disrespect, but, damn, we just met, calm the fuck down”. Just reads as really dismissive to the trans experience, and how hurtful it can be to be misgendered. On top that, it creates this image of a trans person being “unjustly” angry at him, when in reality we correct people nicely, if we’re even brave enough. And the worst part is that I’ve seen some of his fans use it as an excuse to mock people’s gender identity, and others just ignore it entirely. He used to be my favorite artist, but I’ve discovered a lot more music since and I’ve kind of just fallen out of listening to him regularly.
3 weeks ago | 2
To me it's a fork found in kitchen moment, like... we been knew right? Like it wasn't a secret. We all knew that tyler was problematic and his antics come back every 5 years like a boomerang each time he gets bigger.
3 weeks ago | 0
Idk I used to not care about anything to do with pop culture but I have come to realize how much of our reality is shaped by pop culture; as dumb as that sounds. I'll just go with whatever black folks believe with this one. He mainly affects the black community with how he galvanized anti blackness in his probably mostly white community. I just feel like I shouldn't really have a say, but I will support the black community. 🖤
3 weeks ago | 4
If you put “address/acknowledge” instead of “pay for” in regards to his edgelord past, this poll would probably be evenly split. Because Tyler made some ridiculously edgelord s*** early in his career and let’s face it. It WORKED on getting attention on him and Odd Future so I’d just wonder why he wouldn’t want to address that past and expound on just HOW FAR he’s progressed since then. Sometimes you gotta take the cringe with the praise.
3 weeks ago (edited) | 1
Dude's got one of the tightest and most impressive discography out there and yet I find myself really not caring about him whatsoever. I also have no idea why, but maybe it ties to his original fanbase.
3 weeks ago | 0
he doesn’t owe it to anyone to “pay” for his past since like 2017. yall can’t understand that people grow and change? what the fuck do you expect him to do?
3 weeks ago | 0
For what I understand, this comes up every few years and until he directly addresses it, it will follow him. It isnt about his audience and whether he will pay commercially (as he won't) but from a legacy, personhood, impact standpoint, he should address it. A Black man who hated himself and black women gives his audience "permission" to hate his community and only "love" what he can make/produce! An audience that will constantly disregard your musical ancestors. Nuance in these black/white INTERNET streets are difficult to articulate! He was LOUD with disrespect so he needs to LOUD with remorse/recourse.
3 weeks ago (edited) | 0
He should address everything frankly if he doesn't want it coming up every few years but I personally am not super interested in him "paying" for his past. I don't think his art does a good job of showing whether he's reflected on his edgelord past in a meaningful way, though.
3 weeks ago | 0
I have never listened, at least knowingly, to his music and I was not aware of his history or persona until very recently. In short, I really don't care about this dude. Just another edgelord come to power.
3 weeks ago | 0
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3 weeks ago | [YT] | 22