To be fair, Vox does explicitly state Lilith was starting and uprising. I know he's a manipulator and whatnot, but Vox tends to use things that are based in reality in order to get people on his side, even if he twists them to fix his own narrative. Now, whether or not this uprising was violent or not is unclear (tho it is hell so it probably was) Also... I don’t think it's a good allegory at all really. I just feel really uncomfortable comparing the fictional killings of magical Rapists, murders, etc. - to the real life organized murders of real innocent people. Especially when the vast majority of the sinners are portrayed as thoughtless and violent monsterns who torture each other on the reg, which makes the comparison to the real life communities kinda yucky imo. But maybe that's just me Heaven's actions were morally bad, don’t get me wrong, but I don't see providing actual reasons for why they did what they did as a bad thing, especially when the show does the same thing for, and even goes on to downplay the actions of the sinners at the same time at every turn.
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The show alludes to Hell starting an uprising first several times. When Sera excuses her decision in Season 1, saying "They were uprising, Emily!" When Sera says sinners like Vox are why she allowed the Exterminations in the first place, because they were "power-hungry and violent" There's also how Vox preaches that Lilith originally led an uprising and that he's just finishing what she started--though, this could just be him twisting her movement for his own agenda. However, Charlie claims Lilith was "protesting peacefully." ...Though, what exactly she was protesting against if the Exterminations hadn't even started yet, that is the question.
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Probably because we see Hell as bad and full of evil people, and Heaven as good and full of good people. So people want to believe that Hell did something to justify Heaven doing the exterminations besides 'Hell might invade us if they get enough souls'.
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I think it's an afford to add nuance. Because if you leave the extermination as is, Heaven are just the bad guys. But give them a reason, and it adds gray to a very bad and white, show about redemption.
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This is becoming my favorite Hazbin (criticism) channel. Not just because you talk about it, but because you recognize both the good and bad parts of the show and its potential, but you also point out it’s flaws in a way that doesn’t insult Hazbin Hotel fans.
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Uhm isn't the big brother show based on the reality there is an economy of people doing that, putting out hits on humans on earth from sinners in hell. And isn't helluva boss and the agency assumed.7 years old? Alastors backstort shows hell has been influencing earth. Extermination was still cruel and wrong (if only because adam) but how would Charlie know if Blitz or even Stolas when Stolas was just judged and in the relatively lower courts and Charlie is the definition of naive and sheltered
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Such an Idea as you say, a good one at that might I add will never be presented in a show were Sinners claiming high and loud how much they love murder are treated as misunderstood babies just so Heaven can look bad
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Dude the extermination is the functional equivalent to killing death/life imprisonment prisoners
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I feel like it was such a weird choice in S2 to draw on IRL imagery of genocides with organized execution of rounded up sinners, and for that to be a throwaway moment never mentioned again. The previous depiction was brutal but still kind of fantastical, more akin to the sack of a city or a horror movie scenario, and the show just seems so incapable of actually dealing with something as serious as genocide.
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"Considering how much discourse there is on the exterminations being an allegory for real life violence, it would be insane to justify them like that retroactively" Are you one of those people who think October 7th means the literal g3n0c1d3 in Gaza is justified?
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I mean Sera did say they were uprising but no idea how true that is
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I agree that nothing in the actual show indicates to us that hell did an asctual uprising which led to the beginning of the exterms every year. what I dont agree with is the idea that if the show DID go with that narrative, it would mean they were “justifying heavens actions”. what heaven did would be horrific and completely unjustifiable no matter what, even if hell did something extremely horrible. and in any case, heII doing an uprising against such an unjust system would not even be wrong of them to do, even if there were unintended casualties. Guess im just trying to say that even in real life, nothing could ever justify the type of stuff heaven was doing. Edit: either way though, i still hope the show DOESNT go with that direction because I dont think they would handle it remotely well
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Jesse Golo
It's really interesting to see how certain Hazbin fanfictions interpret the beginning of the exterminations. A common trend I see is the idea of a violent uprising by hell, either purposefully led or accidentally spurred on by Lucifer and Lilith leading deaths of either humans or winners, thus leading to Heaven wanting to make sure Hell can never do that again.
Obviously, that's not what the show goes with. Such an idea is never mentioned by anyone in Heaven as justification, the narrative just treats it as a fear-based atrocity and because they've only been happening for seven years, it would be really odd for either Charlie or Vaggie to not have that information.
Plus, considering how much discourse on the exterminations as an allegory for real life violence there is in the fanbase, it would be insane to justify Heaven's actions like that retroactively.
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