One more thing about speed. People love to mention how Hermes apparently saw TFTST. Though again, saying that is generally being dishonest. Hermes knows of the technique very well, as he was shocked to see Zeus was beginning to pull out the technique against a human. So no, he didn't see it. He just knew of it and was able to deduce what happened in the blank spots from watching the fight already.
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shiva's lack of range and shit speed is why the majority of the cast no diffs him
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andrew.
I've been rereading Round 5 and I can confidently say that whoever put Round 5 ( the round of antifeats ) up this high has something extremely wrong with them.
In terms of Strength, its not close. Adam threw Zeus' body all the way across the arena whilst Shiva couldn't even perform half of what that was.
In terms of Speed, Shiva is shown to actively make after images ( not really that impressive all things considered since most people know how to do that. ) The mainline speed scaling for Shiva is that he scales above Raidens attack speed. Raidens main attacks are mainly said to be above Speed of Sound ( its shown hes able to break the sound barrier with his attacks and Yatagarasu is said to "swallow up the sound." ) So Shiva should slightly be above this. Zeus' first attack was nearly Light Speed. And Adam dodged it flawlessly. Not to mention the fact that it's stated that Adam is the first person to react to things such as TFTST. This is even over the likes of Okita ( who was watching the fights, as shown with the Interlude of Round 5. ) and Shiva himself. Speed goes to Adam and its not remotely close.
Stamina in turn also should be easy. Yes Shiva did last longer, but his punches are not even remotely as fast or as powerful as Zeus'. Adam wouldn't be overloading The Eyes of the Lord constantly because he simply would not have to worry about the fear factor of losing his life to an "Inescapable, One-Hit-One-Kill Punch!". Shiva takes Stamina from feats, but Adam should take Stamina in a theoretical matchup as he doesn't need to overload himself.
AP Is very easy. Shiva can be said as Universal ( actively lying and the line of logic is entirely dependant on something that shouldn't even be considered Universal ), Planetary ( More likely, the world statement is more logical since...yknow. But there are issues to it, such as how Base Shivas attacks are considered to be "like a cannonball" the Powercreep would be phenomenal to see but it's such a drastic difference that it's weird to say. Still valid imo. ) Or Large Building ( Again, Cannonball statement comes from Base Shivas attacks. These attacks, along with most others in Round 5 are not able to penetrate Raidens skin. The Muscles statement is a very weird statement as Skin is not a type of muscle and is rather an organ. So the fact that Shiva is not able to penetrate it unless he uses fire, a headbutt or Tandava Karma itself makes it so that any statement could be considered invalid. ) Either way, Zeus' Big Bang statement should be enough to get him way up on top. Zeus' attacks in his Adamas form were also said to be "Ultimate Strike"
"B-but Shiva said he should've fought Adam!"
This statement was made right after Zeus had gotten his neck twisted. So this statement was ALSO before anything Adamas Zeus had done. The statement ENTIRELY relies off of the fact that Zeus was already down. Which, if you didn't know, Adam was also said to win an Endurance contest between him and Zeus. And Zeus enduring getting his neck snapped ( shouldve been instant death ) is greater than anything Shiva has in Endurance.
So yes, Adam does wipe Shiva off the face of the earth. I'm genuinely so tired of R2 downplay at this point in time and I feel as though we have forgotten statements that counteract the other statements.
Adam:
Speed: MFTL+ - Infinite
AP/Dura: Multi Galaxy ( bare minimum since Zeus had to have endured the Big Bang at some point. ) - Uni+ ( highest he can go, statements about Adamas Zeus destroying Heaven also go into this. )
Shiva:
Speed: Mach 2 ( Generous )
AP/Dura: Large Building ( you can ignore the statements because there is active proof that they are not reliable ) - Planetary ( Shivas legend refers to Earth and Earth alone. "The World" implies singular, which lines up pretty well.
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