Just to clarify, I'm not bothered by haters or people who want to debunk. I get a lot of that and I'm fine with it. The reason why I'm bothered is because researching Islam is a particularly strong interest of mine, and I'm disheartened at the response from this one small part in my video. Including Iblis in Fallen Angel Demonology was a last minute decision because I wanted to test the waters and see how it would be recieved. I didn't expect to recieve several loaded interrogations and even one direct threat (I'd rather not get into that). I've been wanting to make my Islamic Demonology video for a long time... with 45 pages written (over 2 hours long as a video), it was an absolute labor of personal love and dedication. But it's been sitting in my hard drive since February. I need advice from my Muslim fans... how should I approach it properly as a non-Muslim? (More context on images 4 and 5)
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It takes a lot of research and dedication to make your videos as detailed as you do. It’s insulting for people to think you don’t put in time or effort to cite and source every bullet point or talking point you make. Especially in this realm - people with a religious upbringing talk the most when they themselves haven’t done theosophical research. Thanks 🙏🏽 you have the best channel on YT bro we love learning from you. Keep it up man thanks
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Bro you're a legend, people don't realize the amount of information and how complex these topics are. Keep doing what you do 😉
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Those who are dogmatic in their beliefs will always scorn those with a more open mind, who offer other interpretations and explanation to spiritual phenomena they deem “sacred”. Don’t be disheartened, you’re content is amazing and it’s clear that you search for truth and wisdom in the sacred rather than looking for confirmation of any pre existing dogma. Favourite YouTuber ever since I discovered you. Keep up the fantastic work man you are a diamond in the rough ✌️💙
2 years ago | 89
Love the transparency. Keep working hard and we'll keep the engagement. We are all learning!!!!!
2 years ago | 49
Dude,your channel is awesome! I'll jump down any rabbit hole you care to point out. Please don't stop,those long format lectures are just what the doctor ordered.
2 years ago | 27
Definitely the perfect channel for me; I love that your videos don't regurgitate the same information over and over again without learning anything I didn't know already. I always leave your videos with more than when I started 😊
2 years ago | 66
Mr. Mythos, I admire the angle you chose in response to the criticism. Your character and dedication to research are the main reasons many of us are drawn to your content. You are favored, keep it up.
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Your research is phenomenal. Keep it up because, to me, you have the best channel on youtube.
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Subtle threats and backhanded compliments seemingly make up the subconscious projection of an ill-informed soul. I pray for the minds of those verbally attacking you and for the enlightenment of those questioning the faith they've grown unto. Thank you for sharing this with your YouTube audience, it allows me to maintain a strong sense of perspective when understanding the motives to your obsessive deep dives. Please don't be faltered by others' paths, instead be inspired to try harder. Keep up the good work Mr. Mythos 🤝
2 years ago | 29
I was so glad when I found your channel, and your series on angels has been excellent. I love diving down rabbit holes! Thank you!
2 years ago | 7
Well said Mr.Mythos... At the end of the day we are all just interpreting the information provided.. No one should speak in absolutions on these kinds of things.. Keep it up pal! Love your work!
2 years ago | 34
The fact they would insult your work as "lazy" shows how much they want to tear you down and are jealous. Keep up the work Mr Mythos!
2 years ago | 0
If you post something online, be ready for blowback AND support. Either way, do the best you can and remind people that you are not the say-all-be-all of mythology and ancient literature. You’re doing a great job and anybody who knows their ass from their elbow recognizes that. You’re doing a great job, don’t let ass- hats stop you from doing so.
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Wow, even your explanations have me falling down rabbit holes. Well said man.
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You are appreciated 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 The time and care you put into content creation is known, seen and heard. In fact, you should receive an honorary doctorate for the level of work you produce and share. Your integrity is felt. Thank you for your excellent work and embodying what it means to do what you love.
2 years ago | 5
Don’t be bothered, ignorance is the worst companion, you’ve done an excellent video, I’ve been a studious of esotericism for over 35 years, when you’ve stirred the pot it means you’ve done a good job, please keep it up, you’ve got lots of admirers including me!👍
2 years ago | 7
Thank You for your excellent videos. You inspire me to learn and inquire more information about human heritage. God's garden varieties are infinite. Thank You and God Bless You.
2 years ago | 1
You are amazing. Period. Thank you, your work and tone is always conscientious and I appreciate your efforts.
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Mr. Mythos
So… I’ve received a number of messages like this in the last few days since releasing my Fallen Angel video. I understand why my Muslim fans may have been puzzled when I presented the origin of Iblis (Islam’s Devil) as an angel, as opposed to a jinn.
Today, the most accepted belief is that Iblis was originally a jinn. Iblis’s own words in the Quran strongly suggest this:
“… thou hast created me out of fire…” (Ayah al-A`raf 7:12)
The Quran states that jinn are created from fire:
“And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.” End Quote. (Ayah al-Hijr 15:27)
Despite this, there have been many strong arguments for an alternative theory of Iblis’s origin as an angel. These come from some of Islam’s most prolific, influential, and respected mufassir (Quranic interpreters), beginning in the same century the Quran was written, and continuing for well over a thousand years.
Ibn Abbas was likely the first to plant the seeds for this theory. Ibn Abbas was not only the Prophet Mohammed’s cousin, but he’s considered by many to be the greatest mufassir in Islam’s history.
Ibn Abbas argued that Iblis’s association with the term ‘jinn’ and his jinn-like qualities (such as fire) can and should be interpreted/translated in a very different manner, due to his very different context in the Quran. While jinn are created from ‘smokeless’ fire, and Iblis was created from fire too, Iblis’s fire is never described as smokeless, which can be seen as an encrypted hint toward his real origin.
In Islam, angels are believed to have been created from light. This is not found in the Quran, but rather a hadith (statement) from Aisha, the wife of the Prophet Mohammed.
In Abrahamic tradition far predating Islam, angels were strongly associated with fire. This is how they were portrayed in the Hebrew Bible. Therefore, it’s not a surprise that many mufassir went on to argue that there might exist two types of angels – angels of mercy, created from light, and guardian angels, created from fire. And from this, many mufassir found it important to argue for (or at least consider) the possibility that Iblis was originally an angel, not a jinn.
These mufassir include Al-Tabari, Al-Tha’labi, Al-Baydawi, Mahmud al-Alusi, and al-Ash’ari.
As for the specific source I used during the making of Fallen Angel Demonology, I relied on an academic paper, as cited in Picture #3.
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I care deeply about the quality of my research and have a personal preference to give special attention to lesser-known perspectives and interpretations. This will inevitably result in people labeling me as a liar because these ideas don’t reflect the religious dogma or what they were taught to believe, and most people have never heard such information due to its sheer obscurity.
I will never claim to be an academic or authority on the subject. I am a seeker. I started my channel with the motto “Truth or Lore” because I am not here to tell you what to believe. My only intent is to encourage open-minded thinking and broaden my audience’s perspective because there are many possibilities. It’s my hope to inspire you to perform your own deep and open-minded research if these subjects are important to you.
Your journey is your own… your beliefs should be fortified by your own hand. If there’s one thing I’d advise though, is to actively avoid limiting yourself to singular conclusions, but instead leave room for the known and unknown possibilities.
Thank you to all my Muslim fans who approached this issue with kindness and respect – much love to you all and know that I appreciated your thoughtful words. I hope this helps clear things up. Thank you all so much.
- MM
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