In my opinion the problem started when the line started to blur on what series and/or movies you had to have seen to understand the next one.
2 years ago | 143
I honestly feel there’s been a dip in quality of not only their shows but also their movies
2 years ago | 569
I think it's more nuanced than just the fact that they've had bad writing. It's also the massive amount of shows that have been coming out that really should have just been movies. While I never cared about the MCU even before Infinity War and Endgame, I've definitely been shown that I shouldn't even bother at this point due to the lackluster phase 4, and the shows being longer than a movie yet worse often makes it feel like there's no point to even watching them.
2 years ago | 221
Schaffrillas productions actually just had a video relating to this. The MCU used to be very quality over quantity with at least something of a cohesive vision for the world and its characters. The Disneyification of Marvel, especially with the shows on Disney+, has flipped that ideal. Good storytelling and overall quality have been sacrificed to pump out new marvel content at a breakneck pace, and it is consumers and the people being overworked/rushed to produce the shows and movies that are paying the price.
2 years ago | 29
great poll from a great creator. disney+ has put out some great stories that deserved to be told, but they struggle translating their film stories to series. many of their shows feel like six hour movies. many shows started beautifully but felt producer-written in the latter half of the series. once screenwriters can get past the learning curve, i think the shows will actually surpass the films due to the creative freedom that a streaming platform affords them. hopeful MCU fan here!
2 years ago
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Pretty much hit or miss. I'd like them to explore more horror, Moon Knight is so out of their comfort zone, THAT'S what I want to see; a new formula, a new direction, a new genre. They need to start producing more quality products, nobody is asking for over 15 productions in one year, we just want something good
2 years ago | 34
I think the fact that we’re in phase 4 and there’s no direction in the MCU is the biggest problem. I’d say Wandavision and Werewolf by Night prove that there’s some big potential in TV shows, but as of now those are the only 2 I can think of that didn’t kind of suck
2 years ago | 54
Like, I like Wandavision a lot. Moon Knight and Hawkeye were quite enjoyable too. It’s just that most of them feel really bland and stretched out- to where they become much less fun than the movies can be. The visuals tend to stick to “the Marvel look” and the writing “the Marvel writing” where I wish these series would be the places where the Marvel universe was able to branch out and be different.
2 years ago | 89
its tough, because most of the shows i couldnt care less about, but moon knight single handedly got me interested in mcu stuff again. but it (and werewolf by night) do feel more like exceptions than the rule.
2 years ago (edited) | 5
I do agree that it really creates a connectivity gap because I get worried I'm gonna miss out some important references or information if I don't watch a show.
2 years ago | 1
A lot of the shows feel like 1 step forward and 4 steps back. They have really interesting ideas and concepts but they ultimately fall flat by the end of the show. They want to be experimental but play it too safe.
2 years ago | 21
Franchise exhaustion and relatively new blood in the writers room if I had to guess. But I dont know how many of the talented screenwriters that were available through phase 1 through 3 are still around.
2 years ago | 9
Certain ones, like "What If?" have worked great as an unusual exploration into the MCU, but most other shows tend to be narrow in focus and drag for much of their runtime.
2 years ago | 21
I feel like the mcu if it wants to introduce new characters it needs to keep them in a self sustained story(solo movie) untill they are well established. One of the problems at the moment is everything is interconnected and if you look at phase 1 where they were introducing new characters 90% of the films were self contained. I think that the Disney+ shows should still exist but be like side missions of the heroes not their main story.
2 years ago | 7
I think one point was missing from the poll, and it's one you made in your "Marvel taking fans for granted" video: The TV shows are flawed, but the biggest issue is putting corporate goals before the fans and story. The shows aren't just a little flawed, they feel more soulless, and contrived, and none of them are paced correctly because they have to be stretched into shows, and none of them have the correct tone because it has to be kid friendly. Basically, the story and sfx have been completely sacrificed for the sake of maxing out content that no one is asking for.
2 years ago | 5
If they were all as good as the beginning/middle of Wanda Vision or the first couple seasons of Agents of Shield I'd be so happy.
2 years ago | 1
I think a big part of it for me is just the variety. Normally that’s I good thing but in this case, there’s just so much going on that I’ve given up keeping track and watching them all. I’m finding it hard to be interested in a single set of characters because there are so many different groups of them now. It’s more of a hassle than it’s worth, personally: to keep up with it all.
1 year ago | 0
I have enjoyed the shows. I enjoy how TV gives more time to a story, similar to have the movies are like large TV episodes in their own right. I have even enjoyed the phase 4 movies. There is a core issue with not having a consistent theme, and that's a shame. After the Trauma of the Infinity Saga, they should have set up a theme of regret. The multiverse is mechanically about all the lives you could have lived. This phase should have lined that up with a theme for the phase and that's a shame they failed to do that.
2 years ago | 2
Some of the shows are legit good (Falcon & Winter Soldier, Loki & WandaVision all justify their lengths) some are a chore to get through, they should do more made for Disney+ movie length stuff, like the new werewolf thing is alright but I really appreciate it doesn’t have 5 extra hours of filler.
2 years ago | 1
It's not just a dip in quality for me, which we've handled before with stuff like Thor 2 and Black Widow or Ant Man being mid to bad, but it's the amount of content that is the issue for me. There are just too many things to watch. I'm even trying to keep up and I haven't even finished Moon Knight yet.
2 years ago | 13
The Closer Look
How do you feel about the MCU shows on Disney plus? Are they good, or bad for the franchise?
I'm making a huge video right now on why Marvel has been flopping hard recently. This poll relates to it, but what do you guys think about the state of Marvel? Why do you think it's not been doing well as of late? Or do you think it's going well?
I'd love to see your thoughts in the replies!
Best,
- Henry
2 years ago | [YT] | 1,189