I think botw and totk are thousands of years after the hero of Trains. It explains why Rauru was the first king (because they had no evidence of any other king), as well as the depths, which might really be the flooded hyrule from windwaker. Assuming plate tectonics work in a similar way (maybe faster) in the world of hyrule, it could easily explain the depths
2 years ago | 7
The timeline has always been a little messy but I never thought it was too bad. A lot of games were legitimately made to connect with one another and it never felt too contradictory to me. Totk definitely dropped the ball though. Botw felt like it could belong in any timeline. Totk feels like it belongs nowhere.
2 years ago | 8
Personally I like the idea of a timeline convergence, idk why people dislike it so much
2 years ago | 6
I went with the BotW/TotK has its own timeline option but I have to say I was close to the Zelda timeline has always been broken option...
2 years ago | 2
The real questions I would like to know are what was everyone's favorite Zelda soundtrack and what was the last Zelda game with a soundtrack you loved? For me it would be Wind Waker is my favorite and Twlight Princess was the last one I loved. Skyward Sword is barely passable and the soundtracks in BotW and TotK aren't good enough since nothing except their main theme (and Rito Village) stands out to me!
2 years ago (edited) | 0
It’s impossible for it to be a break off from SS for the simple reason the royal family would not exist without SS Zelda who left that past and lived the rest of her life in the present with Link.
2 years ago | 1
I think the past events of totk might be what happens after oot child link goes back in time and warns the royal family. It can't be pre skyward sword because ganondorf is demise reincarnated. It can't be after oot because rauru is the first king of hyrule. It can't be before oot because then oot would be between totk past stuff and botw which would mean mummy ganondorf and oot ganondorf existed simultaneously which seems unlikely. So the only other possibility is that it takes place at the same time as oot. The discrepancies between events can be chalked down to oot mostly being in the "adult" timeline, and totk being "child" timeline. We also know current zelda is a descendant of rauru and sonia. They die though so they must already have a kid we don't see. Maybe it's oot zelda? We also don't see the king in oot. He's off screen so he could have beeen a giant 3 eyed goat man. There's a couple problems with this theory though. 1 rauru in ocarina of time isn't the king, and isn't a zonai. Not a huge issue though they could just be two guys with the same name. And 2 totk being in the child timeline means that botw is there too and not a sequel to all timelines as we previously thought (which is honestly kind of a good thing), so the idea that rito evolved from zora was just a fabrication of events. Which is likely the case anyways because there was both a rito and zora sage in totk.
2 years ago | 1
Even before totk I thought botw was in a separate timeline where a hero did show up prior to the events of Wind Waker
2 years ago | 1
I'd prefer convergence over any other option. Yeah the Timeline© has always been a bogus move but some games are connected and more people need to respect that. MM, TP, WW, PH and ST are all sequels to Ocarina of Time. That is a fact, not a headcanon. ToTK has in fact dropped the ball when it comes to even being a BotW sequel.
2 years ago | 2
I believe that BOTW and TOTK are an eventuality to the end of all 3 timelines. Here’s why. Before the events of Skyward Sword, the Hylian’s and Zonia are lifted up to the sky simultaneously, but separate. After Skyward Sword the Hylians start to spread across the land in groups but a kingdom isn’t established. After a few generations of the humans living on the surface, a rapidly dwindling population of Zonia (for any assortment of reasons) descend from the sky and are perceived as gods. They had kept their knowledge, and technologies intact through writing, unlike the humans. In SS the Hylians way of preserving their knowledge was by telling stories from one generation to another, thereby making the Zonia many times more advanced than the Hylians. At some point Ganondorf the I is born. After some time of coexisting and sharing knowledge the Zonia have declined to only Rauru, and Mineru left. Sonia, a priestess, and a descendant of SS Zelda, and Rauru get married and start the Kingdom of Hyrule by unifying the different tribes around the land. The two have kids that we don’t see to continue the royal bloodline. This would take place approximately 350-400 years before OOT if the Gerudo we see at Ganondorf the I’s side in Zelda’s memories are truly Koume and Kotake. After the sealing of Ganondorf the first, Zelda becomes the light dragon, and the sages send Zonia architecture to the sky protected by the sky barrier to help Link with his quest in the distant future. Skip forward some games and Ganondorf the II is born and sealed/ captured. after OOT happens and the timeline splits, Ganondorf the I is still under hyrule castle, thereby putting him in all 3 timelines. The downfall and child timelines are fairly easy to explain as you follow them till the time that BOTW happens. As for the adult timeline, after the events of spirit tracks the floods over old Hyrule recedes and for one reason or another the Hylians move back to old Hyrule, and then follow the timeline down to BOTW. Now to fix some issues. According to the current timeline, without taking into account BOTW and TOTK there are 2 separate Ganon/ Ganondorfs. The main one that we see in every game he appears in except for in 4 Swords Adventurers. 4 Swords Adventures would then be introducing Ganondorf the III, as Ganondorf the II was killed in TP. So adding another, another one isn’t that big of a stretch. Also, in Japanese mythology a soul can exist in different bodies at the same time. We also see other characters get reincarnated as well. So 2 Ganondorfs could exist at the same time, and be reincarnated. As for races not being in some timelines, we are talking about an entire world that we only see a very small part of. They probably do exist in those timelines, just in different parts of the world and move around over time. For the different times we see the castle get destroyed. I believe that the seal only needed Rauru, and only Rauru to start with, and at any point that we see where the castle is destroyed was too early in the minimum of 30,000 years before the time Link and Zelda uncover Ganondorf the I. There was probably close to 10,000 years between each of: the sealing of Ganondorf the I, and the 1st calamity where the construction of the divine beasts would have started, to the calamity of 10,000 years ago, and calamity of BOTW. The main timeline would have only MAYBE taken up the majority, but not all of the first 10,000 years. Finally, such as in real life, we do have to take into account things such as: war, famine, persecution, boarders changing, a country expanding or declining, etc. as reasons to help explain inconsistencies. Especially where games can take place anywhere from a few years to centuries, or even millennia apart as is the case with BOTW, and TOTK from the rest of the timeline.
2 years ago | 1
"Well, time isn't linear, right? At some point you probably saw a movie that told you if you went back and changed the past you would create a kind of a branched timeline, right? Look...(using straight, uncooked spaghetti noodles side by side to demonstrate) New present...New Future. Well, time doesn't work like that, that's not how time works. When you go back and change the past you create a fulcrum. You put yourself on a whole other strand of spaghetti. New Future... New past. It's retrocausal. It goes both ways, actually it goes many ways. What you did was, you changed the future AND you changed the past. If a person is stupid enough to mess with time, what you eventually end up with is this; (drops cooked, tangled spaghetti into a bowl) the Multiverse: Some strands run almost parallel, there will be inevitable intersections, and others that are just wildly divergent. What it is, is a hot mess." -Bruce Wayne(The Flash, 2023). With so many different games and stories that don't quite fit on a straight timeline, it's starting to make more sense in my head to have some of the Legends of Zelda games to take place within a Multiverse that has many versions of Hyrule, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and so on. Some take place across short expanses of time like a few years(OoT-MM), some across great expanses of time(OoT-MM---TP), while others take place on worlds created by the events in games where we have traveled time(SS, OoT, TotK). This may not work for everyone's head canon or what Nintendo ever intended but it would probably work a lot better than trying to fit all the games in a certain order on one strand of spaghetti, so to speak. Also in case anyone brings it up, yes the Flash was a bad movie lol I just think Batmans explanation of time and the Multiverse work really well for the state of the Zelda timeline. The scene is on YT if anyone wants to see his explanation for themselves as the quote may not create the right visuals alone.
2 years ago | 0
i feel like the timeline fits well as, skyward sword , then totk (past), then botw, then totk, and then the rest of the timeline, the only thing that could contradict this theory are the armor sets which even may be just fan service
2 years ago | 0
ToTK and BotW are somehow the fusion of all three of the timelines (child adult and the fallen hero timeline) at the end, and then, canonically, the demon king gets trapped again and thus, Skyward Sword, a couple years latter, then it just keeps going and going and going and....
2 years ago | 3
Guys, it is between skyward sword and ocarina of time. Trust me on this one. The TVA has fixed the Zelda timeline. It is not broken. Agent Mobius has pruned the Hyrule Warriors games, and Judge Renslayer has taken care of the chatacters. The Sacred timeline is whole again.
2 years ago | 1
I mean the timeline problem really became bad because of Ocarina of Time but as long as the games are fun and make sense on their own I don't care.
2 years ago | 0
Zeldom
What is your stance on the current state of the traditional Zelda timeline and Tears of the Kingdom's involvement?
2 years ago | [YT] | 30