@Tarihiye_kızıı in the third and fourth line, is Aşıkpaşazade talking about Orhan Gazi's son or Osman Gazi's son? I am confused so could you kindly tell please. 🌺
Who Was Alaeddin Bey's Real Wife? Let's first evaluate the Germiyan lineage and family line first.
( This has been taken from an article/post By Melisa Dirilish on Facebook ( Credits to her for the information ) )
Yakup bin Alişîr Bey [the full name - Yakub bin Alişîr bin Muzaffereddin bin Alişîr was the son of Kerimüddin Alişîr Bey, known as the father of Germiyanoğlu in Anatolia. They belonged to the Afşar branch of Oğuz Turks, and one of their family ancestors was renowned Hoca Ahmet Yesevi. [Köprülü]
During the rule of Alişir Bey oğlu Yakup, the Germiyan Principality was the largest of that time, in size, in achievements and in its power. Under the leadership of Alişîr Bey it reached the peak of prosperity, and lived through its golden age.
Evliya Çelebi recorded that he was buried on the hill of Hıdırlık in Kütahya ( Seyahatnâme). Alişir Bey oğlu Yâkup was succeeded by his son Mehmed Çahşadan Bey.
When Ulu Arif Çelebi, the grandson of Celaleddin Rumi, visited Denizli and Kütahya before 1312, he met with Alişir Bey oğlu Yâkup. [Eflâkî, Menakibü’l-Arifîn]. He recorded that the relations between the Germiyans and the Ottomans in the early periods were not friendly due to their domination policy over the principalities. Both principalities considered themselves leaders of the Anatolian union.
The later Beys of the two tribes even formed blood ties between themselves and thus strengthened their good relations.
Namely, Yakup bin Alişîr Bey's grandson Süleyman Sah; (1361-1387) ) gave his daughter (Sultan Hatun) in marriage to the Sultan Bayazid Yildrim, the son of Sultan Murad I (Osman's grandson). [Aşıkpaşazâde, Tevârih-i Al-i Osman]
Germiyanoğlu bride, Sultan Hatun, was the great-granddaughter of Celaleddin-i Rumi, in addition to being a descendant of Khoja Ahmad Yasawi, two renowned poets and Sufis.
Additiontionally, Germiyanoğlu Bey gave most of his lands to the Ottomans as a dowry for his daughter. Later, as he didn't have a son, he made a will donating the rest of his vast territories to the Ottomans. [Ş. Tekindağ, “Karamanlılar”; Aşıkpaşazâde, Tevârih-i Al-i Osman] The son born from that marriage became the next Sultan, Mehmed I, also known as Çelebi Mehmet.
Secondly, I asked a Turkish account on Tiktok named @tengrikenperistu to make a post about this matter, so the following information I obtained was thanks to her.
The Germiyan Ruler Yakup Bey the First had a total of four children. Two sons and two daughters. One of his daughters was married to Nusretuddin Ahmed Bey, a descendant of the Selcuk's Grand Vizier Sahib Ata Fahreddin Ali. Furthermore, Nusretuddin Ahmed Bey's mother was also a Germiyan princess. According to Mevlevi ( Rumi ) sources, Yakup Bey's other daughter was still a young child or woman between the years 1312 and 1319. Alderson quotes Alaeddin's wife as a Balad's or Baladin's daughter however there is not a single source that mentions about a Balad, so this was likely just Alderson's own interpretation and that Alaeddin Bey likely married a normal Turkmen girl.
Also since Balad actually refers to "land", "nation" etc etc... We got to know of a additional daughter of Yakup Bey the first thanks to Menakibülarifin books, as Mevlevi sources have mentioned it. However, considering that Alaeddin Ali was way older than this daughter of Yakup the First, such an alliance likely never took place.
The name of Alaeddin's wife or any other detail is simply unknown, thus even if Gonca Hatun is a fictional character, it is somewhat alright, because obviously Alaeddin married someone and Gonca Hatun being a Turkmen lady, is a good description of his wife. However, Alaeddin's wife has certainly no connection with the Germiyans or to be fair not with the Germiyan's Ruler Yakup.
Alaeddin Bey, brother of Orhan Gazi, passed away in the year 1331 or 1332/1333, in some sources, and even once the grave inscription of Alaeddin Bey, it is stated that he was perhaps the eldest son of Osman Gazi, and thus the older brother of Orhan Gazi. If Orhan Gazi has been assumed to be born in 1281, and if Alaeddin Bey was older in age to Orhan Gazi, he was likely born before 1281, an estimate could be placed between 1278-128. That means he roughly lived around 50 years of age.
Secondly, if the unknown daughter of Germiyan Yakup Bey married Alaeddin, as a person attached a Vakfiye about the marriage of this unknown daughter to Alaeddin the date placed somewhere around in there was 723 A.H, 1323/4 A.D, that would mean Alaeddin Bey was in 40s and in the last years of his life. Why would Alaeddin Bey marry so late, though culturally the norm was to marry early in life back then. And, Alaeddin Bey not being the Sultan also meant he wasn't required to remarry for political reasons etc etc... Unless his wife passed away or anything. Also, Yakup Bey came to power in 1300, his reign was from 1300-1340/1345? so this marriage alliance if it did take place could not have taken place before 1300 in this sense.
So, Just like Fatma Hatun's husband is unknown, similarly Alaeddin's wife also remains unknown, and she is probably not the Germiyan princess like she has been shown. But, anyways Alaeddin only had one wife, so Gonca Hatun's character works just fine for it <3
( Yakup Bey the First actually outlived Osman Bey. So, he passed away in the 1340s around 1344 or 1345 )
Where do you find such beauty 🕊️🌺 Anyways, I would like to congratulate the one and only @Ozgeeditzofficial for reaching the tremendous milestone of 10,000 Subscribers. Good Luck for the Future dear Sister 🤞
One of the reasons why a certain someone claims that Beylun Hatun can not be Nilufer Hatun is because they believe that Suleyman was Efendi Hatun's son and that Nilufer being the mother of Murad meant she was a young woman and not capable enough to host a traveller. That's where the argument collapses, because there are stronger reasons to believe Suleyman was Nilufer's son. I have not made this post with the intent of clarifying for the 100th time why Nilufer was likely the mother of this Suleyman, because I already have posts regarding this matter. If they really wish to say with certainty that Asporca Hatun = Beylun Hatun, then they must first clarify the reasons why they think Nilufer is not the mother of Suleyman, leave Nilufer being the mothers they should first prove why " Efendi " is the mother of Suleyman. For as long as they believe in this weak theory, we will never be able to move on to the topic of Beylun Hatun either. Anyways, the picture attached was Emperor Andronikos the Second's Actor with Mahassine aka Nilufer, he says we met with the precious wife of Orhan Gazi on the set 🥹🪷
For the people claiming that Melik I Nasir Bey, the nephew of Sultan Murad the First, and the son of Suleyman, was executed because Alderson says so. So, I just want to say that this incident is not mentioned anywhere, however what is known to us in a few sources that quote it as follows
" He conducted the first reconnaissance in order to cross over to the Gallipoli peninsula. Enverî also mentions that Süleyman Pasha crossed to the opposite shore using ships prepared in Lapseki through Melik Bey, but he confused the events that occurred afterward with one another.
Meanwhile, some of the information he provides is extremely important: According to this, Süleyman Pasha’s son, Melik Nasir, drowned as a result of the sinking of the ship he had boarded along with the aforementioned Melik Bey. Following this, Süleyman Pasha went on a ghaza/raid to Gallipoli again, setting out from Kemer with 3,000 people and landing at Kozludere, a valley extending from the coastal port to Bolayır.
He defeated the forces that met him near Gallipoli and even met with the famous Aydınoğlu Gazi Umur Bey during this operation. With this different information provided by Enverî, [he distinguishes himself] from other sources that follow the tradition of Aşıkpaşazade and Neşri..."
It clearly mentioned that Melik-i-Nasir Bey passed away by drowning in the sea from his ship. Meanwhile, another inconsistency I would like to point out is that this list also states that Murad the Second killed his own son Alaeddin Ali, but from what I have heard, Sultan Murad the Second's favorite eldest son was Alaeddin Bey, after Alaeddin Bey's death, Sultan Murad the Second abdicated from the throne temporarily and the throne went to Sultan Mehmed the Second in the meanwhile, and that Sultan Murad the Second was in grief by the incident. But, here Alderson seems to have made a major error in wrongfully quoting some fratricide victims when they weren't even proven to be the victims of fratricide.
Kindly share this post, so those misinformed people, who have been believing in the words of Alderson can review this error themsleves.
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@Mahnumedits @Nilfira I think they repost our edits
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@Tarihiye_kızıı in the third and fourth line, is Aşıkpaşazade talking about Orhan Gazi's son or Osman Gazi's son? I am confused so could you kindly tell please. 🌺
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The embarrassing fans ranting "first legal wife" typa ragebait should first see who are the Kumas and who is the First woman in Orhan's life 😂🔥
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Who Was Alaeddin Bey's Real Wife?
Let's first evaluate the Germiyan lineage and family line first.
( This has been taken from an article/post By Melisa Dirilish on Facebook ( Credits to her for the information ) )
Yakup bin Alişîr Bey [the full name - Yakub bin Alişîr bin Muzaffereddin bin Alişîr was the son of Kerimüddin Alişîr Bey, known as the father of Germiyanoğlu in Anatolia. They belonged to the Afşar branch of Oğuz Turks, and one of their family ancestors was renowned Hoca Ahmet Yesevi. [Köprülü]
During the rule of Alişir Bey oğlu Yakup, the Germiyan Principality was the largest of that time, in size, in achievements and in its power. Under the leadership of Alişîr Bey it reached the peak of prosperity, and lived through its golden age.
Evliya Çelebi recorded that he was buried on the hill of Hıdırlık in Kütahya ( Seyahatnâme). Alişir Bey oğlu Yâkup was succeeded by his son Mehmed Çahşadan Bey.
When Ulu Arif Çelebi, the grandson of Celaleddin Rumi, visited Denizli and Kütahya before 1312, he met with Alişir Bey oğlu Yâkup. [Eflâkî, Menakibü’l-Arifîn]. He recorded that the relations between the Germiyans and the Ottomans in the early periods were not friendly due to their domination policy over the principalities. Both principalities considered themselves leaders of the Anatolian union.
The later Beys of the two tribes even formed blood ties between themselves and thus strengthened their good relations.
Namely, Yakup bin Alişîr Bey's grandson Süleyman Sah; (1361-1387) ) gave his daughter (Sultan Hatun) in marriage to the Sultan Bayazid Yildrim, the son of Sultan Murad I (Osman's grandson). [Aşıkpaşazâde, Tevârih-i Al-i Osman]
Germiyanoğlu bride, Sultan Hatun, was the great-granddaughter of Celaleddin-i Rumi, in addition to being a descendant of Khoja Ahmad Yasawi, two renowned poets and Sufis.
Additiontionally, Germiyanoğlu Bey gave most of his lands to the Ottomans as a dowry for his daughter. Later, as he didn't have a son, he made a will donating the rest of his vast territories to the Ottomans. [Ş. Tekindağ, “Karamanlılar”; Aşıkpaşazâde, Tevârih-i Al-i Osman]
The son born from that marriage became the next Sultan, Mehmed I, also known as Çelebi Mehmet.
Secondly, I asked a Turkish account on Tiktok named @tengrikenperistu to make a post about this matter, so the following information I obtained was thanks to her.
The Germiyan Ruler Yakup Bey the First had a total of four children. Two sons and two daughters. One of his daughters was married to Nusretuddin Ahmed Bey, a descendant of the Selcuk's Grand Vizier Sahib Ata Fahreddin Ali. Furthermore, Nusretuddin Ahmed Bey's mother was also a Germiyan princess. According to Mevlevi ( Rumi ) sources, Yakup Bey's other daughter was still a young child or woman between the years 1312 and 1319. Alderson quotes Alaeddin's wife as a Balad's or Baladin's daughter however there is not a single source that mentions about a Balad, so this was likely just Alderson's own interpretation and that Alaeddin Bey likely married a normal Turkmen girl.
Also since Balad actually refers to "land", "nation" etc etc... We got to know of a additional daughter of Yakup Bey the first thanks to Menakibülarifin books, as Mevlevi sources have mentioned it. However, considering that Alaeddin Ali was way older than this daughter of Yakup the First, such an alliance likely never took place.
The name of Alaeddin's wife or any other detail is simply unknown, thus even if Gonca Hatun is a fictional character, it is somewhat alright, because obviously Alaeddin married someone and Gonca Hatun being a Turkmen lady, is a good description of his wife. However, Alaeddin's wife has certainly no connection with the Germiyans or to be fair not with the Germiyan's Ruler Yakup.
Alaeddin Bey, brother of Orhan Gazi, passed away in the year 1331 or 1332/1333, in some sources, and even once the grave inscription of Alaeddin Bey, it is stated that he was perhaps the eldest son of Osman Gazi, and thus the older brother of Orhan Gazi. If Orhan Gazi has been assumed to be born in 1281, and if Alaeddin Bey was older in age to Orhan Gazi, he was likely born before 1281, an estimate could be placed between 1278-128. That means he roughly lived around 50 years of age.
Secondly, if the unknown daughter of Germiyan Yakup Bey married Alaeddin, as a person attached a Vakfiye about the marriage of this unknown daughter to Alaeddin the date placed somewhere around in there was 723 A.H, 1323/4 A.D, that would mean Alaeddin Bey was in 40s and in the last years of his life. Why would Alaeddin Bey marry so late, though culturally the norm was to marry early in life back then. And, Alaeddin Bey not being the Sultan also meant he wasn't required to remarry for political reasons etc etc... Unless his wife passed away or anything. Also, Yakup Bey came to power in 1300, his reign was from 1300-1340/1345? so this marriage alliance if it did take place could not have taken place before 1300 in this sense.
So, Just like Fatma Hatun's husband is unknown, similarly Alaeddin's wife also remains unknown, and she is probably not the Germiyan princess like she has been shown. But, anyways Alaeddin only had one wife, so Gonca Hatun's character works just fine for it <3
( Yakup Bey the First actually outlived Osman Bey. So, he passed away in the 1340s around 1344 or 1345 )
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Where do you find such beauty 🕊️🌺
Anyways, I would like to congratulate the one and only @Ozgeeditzofficial for reaching the tremendous milestone of 10,000 Subscribers. Good Luck for the Future dear Sister 🤞
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One of the reasons why a certain someone claims that Beylun Hatun can not be Nilufer Hatun is because they believe that Suleyman was Efendi Hatun's son and that Nilufer being the mother of Murad meant she was a young woman and not capable enough to host a traveller. That's where the argument collapses, because there are stronger reasons to believe Suleyman was Nilufer's son. I have not made this post with the intent of clarifying for the 100th time why Nilufer was likely the mother of this Suleyman, because I already have posts regarding this matter. If they really wish to say with certainty that Asporca Hatun = Beylun Hatun, then they must first clarify the reasons why they think Nilufer is not the mother of Suleyman, leave Nilufer being the mothers they should first prove why " Efendi " is the mother of Suleyman. For as long as they believe in this weak theory, we will never be able to move on to the topic of Beylun Hatun either. Anyways, the picture attached was Emperor Andronikos the Second's Actor with Mahassine aka Nilufer, he says we met with the precious wife of Orhan Gazi on the set 🥹🪷
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For the people claiming that Melik I Nasir Bey, the nephew of Sultan Murad the First, and the son of Suleyman, was executed because Alderson says so. So, I just want to say that this incident is not mentioned anywhere, however what is known to us in a few sources that quote it as follows
" He conducted the first reconnaissance in order to cross over to the Gallipoli peninsula. Enverî also mentions that Süleyman Pasha crossed to the opposite shore using ships prepared in Lapseki through Melik Bey, but he confused the events that occurred afterward with one another.
Meanwhile, some of the information he provides is extremely important: According to this, Süleyman Pasha’s son, Melik Nasir, drowned as a result of the sinking of the ship he had boarded along with the aforementioned Melik Bey. Following this, Süleyman Pasha went on a ghaza/raid to Gallipoli again, setting out from Kemer with 3,000 people and landing at Kozludere, a valley extending from the coastal port to Bolayır.
He defeated the forces that met him near Gallipoli and even met with the famous Aydınoğlu Gazi Umur Bey during this operation. With this different information provided by Enverî, [he distinguishes himself] from other sources that follow the tradition of Aşıkpaşazade and Neşri..."
It clearly mentioned that Melik-i-Nasir Bey passed away by drowning in the sea from his ship. Meanwhile, another inconsistency I would like to point out is that this list also states that Murad the Second killed his own son Alaeddin Ali, but from what I have heard, Sultan Murad the Second's favorite eldest son was Alaeddin Bey, after Alaeddin Bey's death, Sultan Murad the Second abdicated from the throne temporarily and the throne went to Sultan Mehmed the Second in the meanwhile, and that Sultan Murad the Second was in grief by the incident. But, here Alderson seems to have made a major error in wrongfully quoting some fratricide victims when they weren't even proven to be the victims of fratricide.
Kindly share this post, so those misinformed people, who have been believing in the words of Alderson can review this error themsleves.
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I made an edit on Theodora Maria, will you guys go support it and show some love 🪷😍
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Edit on Orhan and Asporca is coming. 🥹💫🪷
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